Anyone think the Sachs Madass will explode in popultarity?

[Cellar Yeti]

Compared to the Yamaha Zuma which is available world wide. And the Honda Ruckus which has been around since 2003 and has exploded in popularity with tons of aftermarket parts and upgrades and a cult following, as well as being available both in Europe and North America, does anyone foresee the Sachs gaining a huge following in the coming years? These forums and aftermarket parts companies are going to start popping up like wild fire in the next year or two as the Sachs gains popularity I think.

[Greg]

I think it will. The MadAss already has strong communities in Australia, Thailand, Chile, Germany, France, England, and here in Wisconsin at ground zero. Today at least 5 different people asked me about the bike while I was running around. Someone actually followed me home a couple nights ago to ask about it!

There are already a lot of aftermarket parts for the bike, and it looks like Peirspeed is going to take that too the next level which I am really excited about. It's just a hell of a lot of fun to tinker on, unique, inexpensive, beautiful in it's simplicity, and a blast to ride.

Sachs has been listening to customer feedback as well and refining the bike. In general things look bright.

Will it ever be as popular or commonplace as the Zuma or Ruckus? That's not likely considering how many thousands of Yamaha and Honda dealerships there are worldwide, but that's just fine with me. There is some joy in having something that is head turning unique and custom to boot. Also, comparing the MadAss to the Zuma or Ruckus is sort of a leap for me. Other than being inexpensive small displacement 2-wheeled vehicles, they don't have all that much in common. The Zuma and Ruckus are step through, belt-driven scooters, with small wheels. The MadAss is a small displacement chain-driven motorbike, the primary difference from traditional motorcycles being the gas tank in the frame. This unique frame design is really what makes the MadAss visually blur the boundaries between scooter, moped, and motorcycle. Since you throw your leg over it rather than through it, it really isn't a scooter, and because it has no pedals it isn't a moped, and you might say that since it doesn't have a big ole gas tank to squeeze between your legs it isn't really a motorcycle. So what is it? It's a MadAss, a lightweight urban motorbike!

[Cellar Yeti]

Good stuff man. Solely because of the bikes non conformist looks I expect it to gain a huge following. There may be a lot of Honda and Yamaha dealerships here, but there are a lot of places that stock a large assortment of motorsports, plus private dealers.

I'm excited to see what the future holds for this pint sized powerhouse.

As a side note, I think the Madass is going to be the bike I buy, 95% there. I can get a little fold up bike trailer if a backpack and/or panniers, and/or trunk case aren't enough for when I need to go grocery shopping.

[MilwaukeeMadass]

I think the more MA's that hit the road this year will help fuel more interest. It's just getting out there and having people see the bike.

I agree with Greg that it probably won't have the same widespread fan base as the Ruckus or Zuma but then again, it's not really an apples to apples comparison. I think the MA appeals to the motorcycle purists out there rather then the majority of the twist-and-go crowd. And because the MA leans more to that of end of things with a motorcycle mindset, the dedication and rabid-like fever will be higher then the Ruckus crowd.

At least that's how I see it anyway.

[MadAssGuerrillia]

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these are very popular in China where they are Manufactured.

[moebobbie]

To be fair, Tomberlin only brought them in for one year and they did a real piss poor job of promoting it. Pierspeed picked up the rights last year but haven't started selling any until very late last year so you might as well consider that this year in our area and they are only advertising the 125. Popularity will depend on price and marketing. I have yet to see any ads in the mags I subscribe to. I'm hoping Pierspeed hangs on to it long enough to give it a chance.

Moe

[MadAssGuerrillia]

The truth comes out from Bill @ Cobra Sales;

[Peirspeed]

id like to say yes...but it has really gone nowhere in 4 years.

You cannot say that the MA has not gone anywhere in 4 years or we wouldn't be selling so many of these bikes. Just look at the number of dealers who are signing on each week. It's about 4-7 new dealers a week. The MadAss is so hot that dealers won't come off the MSRP very much if at all. They are in demand and selling strong in a weak market.

Our main sales guy is so jammed up with calls from dealers who want the MadAss that he sometimes can't even take a lunch break.

you cannot get a 50cc auto anymore

This is true. The reason our company didn't import the 50 autos from the beginning was they were a not up to our performance standard. I have the very first MadAss 50 auto sitting in my warehouse. We pulled it out of the crate in 2004 and it wouldn't even climb the hill in front of my house. Our company is not Peirslow, it's Peirspeed.

As far getting anymore 50 autos, I wish I could help you, but we don't have the EPA certification. If we did, I would be happy to bring 1 in just for you. But since we don't we don't have the EPA we would have to spend about $20,000-$50,000 (depending on problems) to get one certified. To keep the price low, we would have the spread the cost over several hundred units. Since customers are not asking for them, so we can't do it. I'm truly sorry about that and wish we could help.

in most states they are classifying 125+ as a motorcycle that does not have the weight for highway stability.

Yes, most states call them a motorcycle because they ARE a motorcycle. No one has ever said they we anything but M/C's. As for highway stability, could you please tell me where you got this information? That is simply not true. The MadAss 125 is capable of traveling on a highway where legal. To prove this, one of our dealers rode one clear across the U.S. without any problems.

these things are also very popular in China.

I don't believe that this is true. I don't think that you can buy a MadAss in China because Sachs won't allow it. Do you have proof?

Bill

[Peirspeed]

Compared to the Yamaha Zuma which is available world wide. And the Honda Ruckus which has been around since 2003 and has exploded in popularity with tons of aftermarket parts and upgrades and a cult following, as well as being available both in Europe and North America, does anyone foresee the Sachs gaining a huge following in the coming years? These forums and aftermarket parts companies are going to start popping up like wild fire in the next year or two as the Sachs gains popularity I think.

I think the MadAss will have a nice underground following that will keep growing and growing. It's not possible to compete with Honda or Yamaha unless the US Govt gives me some GM style help.

But I don't care. I love being one of two or three at bike night. They are so cool because no one has one.

We are working our asses off to make sure the MA aftermarket grows and clubs grow. We want to be the average Joe's motorcycle company. Or in the case of the MadAss, the crazy Joe's motorcycle company.

Thanks for the topic. It's right on!

Bill

[Peirspeed]

Thats nice, but I think Pierspeed is doing a comparable job in marketing.

Come on Tomberlin, Pierspeed and that Canadian version are just relabeled bikes from the same Chinese Manufacturing Plant. And as far as Marketing...they just slap on a sticker and *try* to market the scooters against the top 3 or so Japanese Companies. Honda Yamaha Suzuki. Pierspeed gets squished by them, and did NOT do a good job when they took over the 50cc. They would not even sell OEM parts.

just my observation, not looking for an argument.

Do you know what "marking" means? It's not about the decals. But if you want to talk about that, we are different than Tomberlin. We are using the Sachs name instead of Peirspeed because its better "marketing". We are also conducting a larger marketing effort that includes advertising, promotions, sponsorships, etc. To compare our marketing to Tomberline's is off base and incorrect.

As for the 50cc comment, we never "took over the 50cc (market)". Our company only focuses on the 125's. We had some 50's in 2009 because they were in the production plan, but we never took over anyone's market. As for parts, Tomberline owns the OEM parts, not us. We sell OEM parts for the products we sell. It's not our job to sell parts someone else sold.

Bill

[WagonBurner]

I have to say that i was in the market for the Honda Ruckus, when i test drove one i loved, it but as i was leaving the vendor i saw the Madass. I have to say that the styling the Madass offered was what made me fall in love instantly. I liked the simple ruggedness of it, which is the reason that i even looked at the Ruckus. I personally feel that if i had seen a Madass or one in passing or someone riding one it would have been an instant sell.

The company that i saw the Madass dropped the line and I was stuck. I looked everywhere in Kansas and Missouri, i went so far as to contact a company outside of St. Louis, MO that is more then 6hrs away from me. I was even tempted to purchase a 2006 Model from a company in Ames IA. My point is that as ppl see these bikes and their owner begin speaking about them, they will sell....guaranteed...

I am still waiting on mine and cant wait to get it. I went an purchased a helmet and gloves today, and the shop that i was at started talking to me about the Madass and saw the excitement i had for the bike and started talking about picking it up and selling it. I am in love and havent even ridden one yet! I think that its more then marketing anyone can market crap to anyone, in my research over the last year an half or more, i have begun to see and realize the passion that fuels this bike in the vendors, the riders and i want to be part of that as well as the overall riding experience this bike has to offer.

One Madass lover here!

Now if i could just find some Madass Schwag to have and pass around!!!!

[Streetcred]

Some interesting comments there,
congrats to you bill on straightening out a few things.
I have travelled large miles and varied terrain on the MA and its always has produced a grin.
In the hills, ive given big bikes a bit of a run, ( down hill of course)

This is one unique motorcycle, not a latte sippers transport, ( its more than transport)
I have a few other very nice motorcycles to ride, yet my MAs still create big grins, from all who either come across them or ride them

Things can only get better

[ShebMadass]

Not as much as it could have!
I don't have a motorcycle license so i can't get a 125cc...thus...the cap on popularity.Not everyone has a cycle permit.
If it has a moped title it is easy for anyone to get one but as soon as you mention that you need a cycle permit the interest goes away pretty fricken quick.You will probably never see any more new 50cc versions in the USA because pierspeed needs 500 unit sales to even bring them in.So as far as popularity...They are like a custom ,one off bike and i am ok with that.I enjoy what i have and am in the process of building another one just because i love these things.If there were more of them they would'nt get the "eye popping"looks everywhere you go!!
Shebmadass

[Peirspeed]

Not as much as it could have!
You will probably never see any more new 50cc versions in the USA because pierspeed needs 500 unit sales to even bring them in.So as far as popularity...They are like a custom ,one off bike and i am ok with that.I enjoy what i have and am in the process of building another one just because i love these things.If there were more of them they would'nt get the "eye popping"looks everywhere you go!!
Shebmadass

Actually, you might see more 50cc 4-speeds, just not autos. We have the EPA for the 4-speed and can import them if the demand is there.

Bill

[Blue Ridge Rider]

Are the auto's still being made in China for another country?

[ShebMadass]

Actually, you might see more 50cc 4-speeds, just not autos. We have the EPA for the 4-speed and can import them if the demand is there.

Bill

Kewl!!!
Bill ,as usual, you are a fount of information!
Thank You
Shebmadass

[Peirspeed]

Are the auto's still being made in China for another country?

No. What happened was in 2003-2004 Sachs decided they would enter the US market. Knowing the several state laws allow 50cc autos to be used as a MOPED they wanted to develop an auto just for the US market. The trouble is no one makes an auto transmission for a motorcycle style engine. If they could have used a scooter style engine, then it would not have been a problem. Just slap a CVT on it and go. But since they use a M/C engine, they decided to use a regular transmission and lock it in one gear with a centrifugal clutch.

I've never riden a production 50cc auto, but the pre-production version we tested was not up to our standards. That's why we waited until they started to make a 125 for the US market.

Maybe someone with a completely stock 50 auto could fill me in on the real world performance of the unit. Did it improve?

Bill

[moebobbie]

Our main sales guy is so jammed up with calls from dealers who want the MadAss that he sometimes can't even take a lunch break.

Do you need help Bill????

hehehe

Moe

[Sir_Jaon]

I don't know what changed but my 50cc has two gears, she's slow off the line but gets up to around 45-50kph.

[Peirspeed]

Our main sales guy is so jammed up with calls from dealers who want the MadAss that he sometimes can't even take a lunch break.

Do you need help Bill????

hehehe

Moe

Yes, actually we do. We hired two more sales reps in the past two weeks. We need at least 3 more.

If anyone is interested in a Sales Rep job, please call Jessica at 770-375-6645.

Bill

[Stikfas]

Sachs MA has been here in the Philippines for 4 years or so, sadly there is only one Company who imports them here and very few are dealers. although there are lots of guys asking me about my MA and where to get one for themselves, there are very few advertisements of our MA here and almost no support/very little support from the importer.

if only there are companies that will specialize on MA here. i am pretty sure it will be one of the most known bikes here